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miscs7 said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

As a software developer, common-sense says if all pitot tubes speed readings are unreliable, then rely on on average speed of ground radar or GPS speed which probably planes are already equipped with.

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bekohl said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

Why are there no “remote flight recorders” ? Or a distributed flight recording system, shared on multiple locations inside a plane ? (wings; tail; rudder) Collecting live flight data, received by antennas and/or satellites, must be possible today ?

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StollandSon said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@Timic83pronc Holy shit, another Aeroflot survivor. I flew them in 1993. It was the worst experience in my life. Aeroflot being the world’s most deadly and most hijacked airline in aviation history (by a long shot ) probably didn’t help my anxiety. Flying a Tu-154 from Miami to Iceland to Moscow was hell on earth. The plane was hot (like 98 degrees the entire flight), the stewardesses were rude and unhospitable, and the food was a step away from the barf it later became.

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StollandSon said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@MyAccount4TrollingU No, your sense of logic is crap.

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StollandSon said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@MyAccount4TrollingU OK, good for you. and what does Islam have to do with this? The plane went down because the pitot tubes were giving them a wrong AS reading and the pilots failed to put the nose down when they were clearly in a stall. Yup, sounds like Islam alright…have another drink, pal.

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Timic83pronc said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

I watched this documentary before going to Russia this past fall. Hurricane Irene cancelled my original Aeroflot flight so then they rebooked me on Air France. My god wasn’t I scared! I remember thinking why did I watch this before flying on Air France!? Hell…why did I watch this before flying period!?

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MyAccount4TrollingU said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@StollandSon FUCK ISLAM

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MyAccount4TrollingU said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

AIRBUS IS CRAP.

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zulquarnainanwar said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

14:53 Route Discontinuity on FMC.

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mahirharoon said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

wow these bbc documentaries are way better, they dont spend a heck lot of time on the passengers, they focus on the plane and the crew better than natgeo does

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Pvjinflight said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@StollandSon Though in my understanding computer did not prevent them from pulling up because of landing mode, but because their speed was so slow that they were about to stall if it had been pulled up.

The landing mode just simply cant work that way if you think logically… What if there is go around in low altitude? Surely it does not prevent pilot from doing it.

So it was stall protection, not landing mode which acted. And probably it saved plane from stalling to the forest.

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Pvjinflight said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@StollandSon Yes you are absolutely right.

Funny how its ignored that B737 had rudder design problem which brought two 737s down in early and mid 90´s before fixed. But of course rarely anyone remembers that.

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StollandSon said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

The aforementioned A320 footage was famous in the US as the new 737 400-600 series had just come out and our media ran the 1988 A320 crash up the flagpole for Boeing. Most TV outlets said the plane was being flown by remote control when it crashed. For about a decade that false story was propogated in this country. It’s one reason it took two decades for american carriers to use the A320. So believe me, glutinous, I know what I’m talking about and am used to correcting people on that footage.

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StollandSon said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@glutinousmaximus Again, seven people were on board that TEST FLIGHT and all died. They were all pilots, flight engineers, and airbus engineers on a TEST FLIGHT. (Not paying passengers like the June 26, 1988 A320 crash at an air show that was filmed which killed three on the third A320 ever built seen here watch?v=bzD4tIvPHwE )

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StollandSon said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@glutinousmaximus And lastly, the airline listed for your A330 incident is Airbus Industries – because it was a test flgith loaded with test pilots and flight engineers.

Whereas the 1988 crash that is the youtube video you were originally referring to is an Air France crash and had 138 paying PASSENGERS on board.

Sorry, you’re wrong; you might want to check it.

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StollandSon said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@glutinousmaximus check it out; here’s the youtube footage you are talking about. Clearly an A320.

watch?v=bzD4tIvPHwE

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StollandSon said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@glutinousmaximus Ya, it was on Mayday, and it was a 320. The crash in question was on June 26, 1988 and it was indeed three people who died. It was in Habsheim, France and went down when the pilot did a low altitude pass at an airshow with people on board. The AP turned on thinking he was about to land and brought the plane down. THIS is the plane in the footage you are referring to as the crash was filmed. That’s the youtube footage, so you are indeed wrong.

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glutinousmaximus said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@glutinousmaximus Ooops, I did it again! The fatalities were actually 7!

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glutinousmaximus said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@StollandSon Sorry – It seems you’re WRONG!! My memory was also a little faulty on the number of fatalities, which was actually 5. A clip from Wikipedia: “…On 30 June 1994, trouble struck during certification of the Pratt & Whitney engine when an A330 crashed near Toulouse.[38] Both pilots and the five passengers died.[39] The flight was designed to test autopilot response during a one-engine-off worst-case scenario with the centre of gravity near its aft limit….” Check it…

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StollandSon said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

@glutinousmaximus WRONG – The opening statement says the A330 had never had a fatality. The crash that you are mentioning is the A320 which is newer and not a widebody. So their statement is indeed correct.

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MegaFlights said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

0:23 —— 2e? retarde?

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glutinousmaximus said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

The opening statement about Airbus not having previous fatalities is wrong – The 3rd Airbus manufactured, had 3 fatalities when a french pilot crashed into trees at the end of the runway, which was a bad introduction to the Airbus worldwide. Can’t remember the YouTube title though.

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OnlineAutoAuctions said in February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

I flew out of this – increase the speed and pitch of the aircraft. The pilot was distracted by flight warnings??? C’mon – “task saturated” give me a break, fly the damm plane! Great 10 other crews sat there as well and take manual control, FLY the aircraft.

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